Honestly, out of all of the small crossovers

"Your boy, BJR" (jerseyshoreben)
06/02/2018 at 08:03 • Filed to: None

The XC60 is probably the best looking one

DISCUSSION (25)

Eric @ opposite-lock.com > Your boy, BJR
06/02/2018 at 09:10

It’s like a wagon, only fatter.

boxrocket > Your boy, BJR
06/02/2018 at 09:33

XC60, XC40, and CX-5 are clearly the best-looking small crossovers. I guess the E-Pace and I-Pace, too, though I haven’t seen one in the flesh.

Best-looking midsize-to-large crossovers/SUVs would be Range Rover Velar (swoon!), CX-9, F-Pace, and XC90.

Navigator is the only large SUV that doesn’t look awkward in some way. The Expedition isn’t bad, but there’s some fussy detailing I’m not the biggest fan of. The Yukon would almost qualify except its DRLs make it look like a cow with glittery eyelashes that’s suddenly and unexpectedly been subjected to a rectal exam, and it looks derivative of the last Mercury Mountaineer.

Eric @ opposite-lock.com > Eric @ opposite-lock.com
06/02/2018 at 09:34

Can’t deny that they’re okay, though, because they’re sufficiently wagonlike.

BaconSandwich is tasty. > Your boy, BJR
06/02/2018 at 09:44

It’s a shame about the price. When I went to the Calgary Auto Show a month or two ago, I was blown away by the price. I had heard Volvo had gone up-market, but their prices were definitely up there as well.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Your boy, BJR
06/02/2018 at 10:02

Quite some time ago, I think around when you bought your Chrysler, I made some comment to the effect of “I can’t wait to see what Ben’s next Best Brand of the Month is!”

I have to admit, I was not expecting Volvo.

For real though, Volvo has been hitting it absolutely out of the park with their latest batch of cars and SUVs.

Your boy, BJR > BaconSandwich is tasty.
06/02/2018 at 10:04

Volvos have always been priced around the same as their German counterparts, since at least the ‘80s. They’re an Audi competitor, not a VW competitor. Rumor has it that they’re coming out with a more value oriented sub brand tho.

Your boy, BJR > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
06/02/2018 at 10:09

Honestly the brand that I’m obsessing over most right now is Porsche, I’ve just had a lot of Volvo exposure recently that I never had before, and although their rep is being safe and boring, they make a hell of a good product.

Not really a “brand of the month”, more me coming to terms with the fact that the people who sing Volvo’s praises may be on to something.

With summer here as well I’ve got boats on the mind, so I’ve been paying way more attention to SUVs/trucks/crossovers lately

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Your boy, BJR
06/02/2018 at 10:18

I’ve been lusting after a boat as well. Going out on the water is just so relaxing. Being in a landlocked area has its downsides...

66671 - 200 [METRIC] my dash > Your boy, BJR
06/02/2018 at 10:39

The S90 is a head turner, and idk of its just the xc90 but they have such nice paint quality.

Long-Voyager > Your boy, BJR
06/02/2018 at 11:40

Best looking crossover = Oxymoron.

Spasoje > 66671 - 200 [METRIC] my dash
06/02/2018 at 12:46

They really do have tough paint! My 9yo XC90's paint still looks like new, after being parked outside for most of those 8 years.

Your boy, BJR > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
06/02/2018 at 12:56

I have a boat, it’s just trapped because I keep getting cars that can’t tow it. Just as well, the insurance is pricey as fuck

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > Your boy, BJR
06/02/2018 at 12:57

I usually buy a clean six year old SUV, I will look at them then, as well as the 2019 RAV 4 if they have a cool version. I have a CRV now, maybe the RDX version, it all depends how I like sitting in them. I’m never buying new again and I can’t bring myself to do a perpetual lease for my DD which pretty much has to be a smallish SUV/cross.

Hoccy > Your boy, BJR
06/02/2018 at 16:24

If the XC60 is a small crossover, what about the XC40?

Kinja'd!!!

(Yeah I know American sizes and so on)

Your boy, BJR > Hoccy
06/02/2018 at 17:22

Subcompact.

XC90 is mid size.

Hoccy > Your boy, BJR
06/02/2018 at 18:09

Crazy to think of. Bigger SUV’s than the XC90 aren’t really available in Europe these days, I struggle to imagine how out of place something bigger would look.

duurtlang > Hoccy
06/02/2018 at 18:18

Extremely. An XC90 looks like a whale already. A stylish whale compared to its competition, but a whale none the less. Something larger is the size of one of those small regional public transportation busses I guess? Like an XXXL minivan?

Kinja'd!!!

BaconSandwich is tasty. > Your boy, BJR
06/02/2018 at 19:29

I guess I haven’t been shopping around for cars much. There’s no way I could justify to myself spending $60k CDN on a brand new car.

boxrocket > Hoccy
06/03/2018 at 01:34

XC40 : Ford Escape/Kuga : Mazda CX-5 : Range Rover Evoque/Jaguar E-Pace.

XC60 : Ford Edge : No current Mazda equivalent : Range Rover Velar/Jaguar F-Pace.

XC90: Ford Explorer/Flex : Mazda CX-9 : Land Rover Discovery.

Hoccy > boxrocket
06/03/2018 at 02:40

Huh? I always thought...

XC40 - Ford Ecosport - Mazda CX-3 - RR Evoque - BMW X1

XC60 - Ford Kuga - Mazda CX-5 - RR Velar - BMW X3

XC90 - Ford Edge/Explorer - Mazda CX-9 (not sold in Europe) - RR (Sport) - BMW X5

The only European Ford Expedition equivalent I can think of (in terms of size) is the Mercedes GL - which is produced in Alabama.

duurtlang > Hoccy
06/03/2018 at 03:10

While its length is closer to the Kuga/Escape and CX5, the wheelbase of the XC60 is marginally longer than that of the Edge.

Generally speaking, and just looking at the numbers without ever having sat in any of them, my interpretation of the XC60 is that it slots between the two size segments.

XC40 is marginally shorter than the Kuga and CX5, but has a marginally longer wheelbase than both. So it’s the same size segment. Ecosport is completely incomparable.

Hoccy > duurtlang
06/03/2018 at 03:23

Thought the XC40 was slightly smaller, but it makes sense.

It seems that Audi, BMW and Mercedes-Benz all have a similarly sized SUV lineup as Volvo, inbetween the classes used by the other manufacturers.

boxrocket > Long-Voyager
06/03/2018 at 06:32

Not an oxymoron. If they’d said “sexiest” or “most-visually-breathtaking” perhaps, but then again the Range Rover Velar exists, so that probably negates those examples.

boxrocket > Hoccy
06/03/2018 at 07:03

Duurtlang beat me to it, but the Volvos aren’t quite a direct comparison on specs alone. You have to look at layout and passenger and cargo volume to get it.

The compacts (Kuga/Escape, CX-5, CR-V, RAV4, XC40, X3, Hyundai Tucson, Kia Sportage, etc.) are based on compact sedan/hatch platforms or share platforms with a compact sedan/hatch: Focus, Mazda3, Civic, Corolla, S40/V40 (when they come out).

The midsize Edge used to share its platform with with the Fusion which itself was based on the Mazda6. The Explorer (more on that later) is still riding on Ford’s version of Volvo’s original XC90 and S80 platform, along with the Flex, Lincoln MKT, Lincoln MKS, and Ford Taurus, of which the crossovers are a size class up due to having a functional third row, but the sedans are in a weird place of having larger exteriors than their midsize brethren (Fusion & MKZ), but less interior volume thanks to a large front console and different packaging.

Therefore the midsize SUV class includes vehicles with usually 2 rows (some have 3 but they’re almost laughably tiny, like the Mitsubishi Outlander) like the Edge/Lincoln MKX, Lexus RX350 (non-L), dead Toyota Venza, Infiniti FX50/QX50 (do they still make those?), Nissan Murano, XC60, X5 (though, like the X3, it’s also swollen slightly beyond its size class, but more on that in the next section), Hyundai Santa Fe Sport, F-Pace, etc. The 4Runner also technically fits here based on interior packaging, even though it’s gotten quite big.

The large (or, rather, mid-large compared to the regular wheelbase-Expedition, Sequoia, Armada, etc., class) class is made up of 3-row crossovers (no Body On Frame examples left here, as they’re in the next bracket up) which also sharw their platform with a sedan, but are either stretched significantly to accomodate a third row (like the Highlander versus the Camry base, and CX-9 compared to the Mazda6 base, especially the first generation) or the base car was already large enough that the crossover version is essentially a taller wagon version of the sedan (e.g.Explorer/Flex/MKT, Mercedes GL or ML or whatever they’re calling it, Audi Q7/Porsche Cayenne/VW Touraeg, etc.). This includes the XC90, Range Rover, aforementioned Explorer/Flex/MKT trio, CX-9 (which is admittedly smaller than the others mentioned here, but as it has a third row, it’s easiest to lump it in with this lot, as it’s too big for the purely-midsize class), Highlander, Pathfinder/QX60, Kia Sorento (and coming-soon Telluride), Hyundai Santa Fe (2016+, when the Sport model indicated the two-row version), etc. The three-row X5 technically resides here, but the upcoming X7 will push the X5 back to its midsize beginnings, per my understanding.

Party-vi > Your boy, BJR
06/06/2018 at 17:54

Shit’s bangin’, too. The in-laws have one and it’s real nice.